Standing for the Truth to 9/11 Truthers

Me on the right

As many may already know, I have spent a great deal of time in the last several months spreading the truth about the events of 911. I have spearheaded the formation of a local activist group in Durham and Raleigh. This movement is primarily secular, but I have felt the Lords leading to be involved because I believe as people see that their world is shaken they will be looking for a Kingdom that will stand the test of truth.
When people realize that they have been lied to, they begin to see how vast and deep the corruption of this present world is.
Unfortunately most think they can fix it by just exposing the lie. They can't see the hand of God in all of this.
They think that if we can just get the right politician elected, or fix this problem, we will have our problems solved.
This is typical of what is in the heart of man. They want to be independent of God. This was the same mentality when Jesus came the first time. The people were oppressed, as now, but even after they had seen and heard all His works, even after He had been raised from the dead, this was their question. Acts:1:6: "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" They just want to see America restored to the way it was. Unfortunately they can't admit that is has always been blood thirsty.
Wake UP!!! If man is the problem, man is not the answer. You don't have to be a believer to see the "Hand writing on the wall", but you do have to be a believer to understand what it means.
We have done several presentations to the public and have had as many as 150 people at some. Sometimes when people hear this for the first time, they are shaken to their core. In the Question and answer period I am usually asked what I think is going on and I have said that I believe that George W Bush may very well be the Biblical Antichrist. What seems to offend people is not what I say, but the fact that I actually believe the Word of God is true and as a result I have been mocked and persecuted. Mt:5:10: "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Don't be afraid of what men may say about you, in fact if you are not being ridiculed to some degree, you may want to examine what you are doing or believing. Jn:15:20: "Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."
What follows below is some of the exchange that has developed as a result of my remarks. I will put my replies in a different color to help distinguish them.

>>> I hope to make a difference without becoming another "Peter" in the sense of pushing my conclusions on others.However, any group that anyone becomes a part of affects their being. And, if I feel that my newfound reversal is not coinciding with the group, I will probably withdraw so as not to adversely affect my creation of reality in a negative way. In this current state of being, I am far more sensitive to energy and would not want to take on a fear perspective as I would create it a lot faster. I don't know if that makes any sense.But, you can research the concept by looking at "The Law of Attraction." (a video about how you can use the power of the universe to serve your own purpose)
Staysee
Staysee,
I Don't quite understand your comment about becoming another "Peter". If it is me you are speaking about, I don't know what you are referring to. Have you found me pushing my conclusions on anyone? Or are you referring to the strength of my convictions. I have not, now or in the past, pushed anything on anyone. You may be confusing the fact that I also have an opinion, and my argument is as a result of years of study. Anyone is free to disagree with me, and I can accept all, as I would like to be accepted. That does not mean I will put my faith aside. You don't know me as a man; We have spent only a few minutes talking to each other. Yet you as a result of what someone else may have said, have passed a judgment. If this is the kind of thing that your belief system leads you to in your judgment of others, it says something about your belief system, not mine. In your effort to avoid negative "energy" you are perfectly willing to cast a negativity about me to the group. Truth is not relative. Truth is true if you believe it or not.
PeterZ

>>>My apologies for offending you.I originally sent that email to Ed in the heat of the moment. I then changed it to the entire group. And after I sent it, I realized that it might be offensive. However, I stand by my statement.You have made conclusions like "Bush is the Antichrist" and expressed it to large numbers of people. This is fine for expressing your opinion and stating it as your own. However, most people are going to feel that the entire 911 Raleigh Group feels that way and it might frighten some mainstream folk away. This issue has been discussed in our meetings and it ended up in the email group inadvertently by my mistake.Or perhaps it was meant to be. It obviously needs to be talked about.And, from what I understand, people have tried to talk to you about it and you refused to change. Again, I apologize for offending anyone.But, If we are going to exist as a group, then we need to talk about things openly.
Staysee

Staysee,
First; let me say, I am well aware that a few in the group, may be uncomfortable with my comments.
I would remind you that when I make those comments, I clearly state that "I personally believe that George W Bush Could very well be the Biblical Antichrist." (Those are the exact words I use). No where do I claim that this is the opinion of the entire group. You have twisted what I have said. I have never made this statement as a "CONCLUSION". Again I say "He COULD VERY WELL BE"
Second; How is it that you would presume to speak for the "Main Stream"? Let me point out that most of America at least claim to believe in the Bible and claim to believe in the devil. A large part of those that support this governments policies are evangelical Christians, that are blinded by a doctrine called the "Rapture". They can not recognize the evil of this "New World Order" plan, because their doctrine teaches them that they will be raptured out of here before the Antichrist is revealed. I have a purpose in stating these things, and I would venture to say I have opened thousands of eyes on the subject of 911. In fact these groups have come into existence as a result of my efforts. Jesus said " The tree is known by its fruit" How dare you sit in judgment of me?
Have you forgotten that just about a month ago a world leader, Hugo Chavez, in front of the world stage at the United Nations, openly proclaimed that George Bush was the Devil. He even said that the place still smells like sulfur.
Third; This may be a game to you, and you are worried about offending someone, or don't want to disturb your bubble of good vibes, but this is life or death to me. Nothing will stop me from declaring the dangers that are presented before us.
When you sit there in your "Lotus" position, are you not declaring something about your belief system?
What you are really saying is that you should be allowed to declare your belief system because it is not offensive to you, but I should not. The "Main Stream" would more likely think you the "Ding Bat" not me.
When you made the statement "from what I understand, people have tried to talk to you about it and you refused to change." You made it clear just where this came from. Only one person has made that demand. Maybe you and her should take a house by the sea together.
Fourth; The truth of these things will be seen in due time. If what I have said is a myth, then what are you afraid of? But if these things are true, what I have taught will be born out. America is not going to just keep going along with the status quo. Neither you nor George W Bush will stop me from speaking the truth "as I see it".
Fifth; You sent this email to the entire group disguised as an apology. Just because you say "I apologize" does not make it an apology. When you first sent out your remarks you plainly state that you did not intend for me to see them. You wanted to stab me behind my back and look for others to stand with you. You did not know I was on the email list. When I sent my reply to you, I sent it to you personally, but you wanted to open it up to the entire group in the hope that you could get them all to gang up on me.That is a divisive tactic. Again, I have not forced my beliefs on anyone, and I have been accepting of all. I would say that there is one thing I find repulsive and that is for anyone to use the circumstances of 911 and this War for self promotion. You have not offended me and I forgive you for what has happened.
In the future I would hope that you would show the courage to come to me directly with things that I do that may offend you. You will find me a loving accepting man that would give the shirt off my back to those that would need it. This does not mean that just because I may be an offence to some that I should change my faith. Jesus himself was an offence to those that stood against the truth. Truth is not relative. Truth is true if you believe it or not.
PeterZ

PeterZ,
>>>I found your comments from the following email..".don't want to disturb your bubble of good vibes,...""When you sit there in your "Lotus" position, ...""The "Main Stream" would more likely think you the "Ding Bat" notme... ""Maybe you and her should take a house by the sea together..."...to be personal jabs intended to attack Staysee.I believe the above statements to be the kind of language that willdivide our group. If you must make them, I encourage you to directthese types of words directly to Staysee and not to the group list.I am sending this to the group list because I want to have a fairapplication of my words on this list where I told Staysee basically notto attack another member of the group.Peter, you are a valuable member of this movement. We all need to beresilient and aware that disintegration from within is our enemy's besttactic to take us out. I believe how we talk to each other is a goodstart to preserving our group.
thank you, Andrew

Andrew,Thank you for your comments,I realize that those remarks were a bit of a swipe, but when I first responded to his insult, It was only him that I responded to.Even though he had attacked me in front of the whole group. He is the one that forwarded my remarks on to the whole group, I might add thinking he was doing it behind my back.The comment that he would more likely be thought a "Ding Bat" was in response to his insinuation that I was on the lunatic fringe. I was not calling him a Ding Bat, and my mention of his sitting in a Lotus position was because that is what he was doing at the film showing. I used it to make my point that he too was making a statement of faith.They were not meant as insults but to perhaps show his own hypocrisy. The use of the words "main stream" were used by him in his concern about me if you read what he said to me. I was endeavoring to point out who was really more out of the main stream. I understand your concern for the unity of the group, I also share that concern. I have worked very hard to help get that group started. On the other hand, in all my years of working with and organizing groups, I have never found it acceptable to allow new comers that have yet to make any real contribution, take shots at the leaders. It is a spiritual principle. "Smite the Shepard, and you scatter the sheep"I am sorry that all this has happened, but I am not the one that attacked anyone. I have only responded to those that would not respect me or what I believe. I don't demand anyone believe what I do but I will not reject my faith nor will I reign it in either. You know the kind of man that I am.One more thing. Have you considered the possibility that we may be correct about who George Bush is?http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
Love Peter

>>>I am not taking anyone's side here. I understand both positions.I feel compelled to speak up.This type of dissension happens quite regularly at 911blogger.There are folks there. Who want to talk about no plane theories, mini nukes, beam particle weapons, hidden technologies.Then there are those people. Who feel that discussion of those subjects dilutes the seriousness of the topic.The "wacko factor" is of concern. People do not want to make their efforts. More difficult by suggesting topics.That might be considered "wacko". By those not in the know.Me being secular in nature. Would put the "anti-christ" in the "wacko" category. It is worthy of discussion.At this point in the game. It is complete speculation. Personally, I would like to present an image not basedon speculation. But has close to real science as we can get. That way the debunker will have less to punch holes at.
When we start exclaiming religious views. We being us. Everyone/anyone in the our groups at public meetings. It takes me away from my original intent. Getting the Bushies behind bars. The anti-christ has nothing to do with that.I know I appreciate your efforts greatly. Getting the ball rolling for a local 9/11 movement. A movement consist of more than one person.

Obviously, you feel very strong about always having the right to speak. All your views at anytime.I know personally. I would appreciate you not bringing up the subject of anti-christ in our public sponsored outings. If you have a private conservation with someone. Fine. I think I can speak for most everyone in the Raleigh group. Let me say, the topic of you and the anti-christ has never been mentioned to me outside these emails. At no meeting has it been discussed that I have attended or know about. The group has talked about our public front and presenting facts not speculation. Your views on the antichrist is speculation. I think you could agree to that at this point in time. Would you please not publicly bring the subject of the anti-christ? At public forums sponsored by the Raleigh group. If you say no. That is something we can discuss at our next meeting. It really comes down to a matter of respect. We respect your right to voice your opinion. I hope you can respect our right. To have our/Raleigh group public image viewed as we see fit. If you have not been yet. If you keep speaking about the antichrist theory. You will be accused of being a dis-info agent. I am not saying that should matter in how you view this situation. That is my bit of speculation. I know surely everyone wants you on our team and know we are lucky to have you on it as well. That is as honest & open.

As I know how to be.

Peace!Gary

>>>You bring up valid points in your email, but this seems completely ludicrous. Accused of being a dis-info agent? By who?
I share the same beliefs, and I've been doing 9/11 truth activism for over a year, and am an active member at 911blogger and loosechangeforums as well as a ton of other forums and email groups, including Veterans for 9/11 truth, and not once have I ever been accused of being a dis-info agent for voicing my religious beliefs. Not once.
People that ascribe to 'no-plane' theories, even no airliner at the pentagon, particle beams, etc. get accused of being disinfo agents all the time.

Michael BlkKnight

Thank you Gentleman. Gary no one is looking for anyone to take sides.
I hardly think that a belief in the words of Jesus or in Biblical prophecy is in the same category as the "no plane theory" or the other "Wacko" Theories.
Christian thought and Biblical prophecy is right in the middle of this whole movement weather you recognize it or not.
Should we also censor David Ray Griffin? or these:


Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11:

A Call to Reflection and Action

David Ray Griffin

"WARNING: If, like most Americans calling themselves Christian, you prefer the comfort of acquiescing in the official version of 9/11 and the imperial wars it facilitated, DROP THIS BOOK NOW. But if you are open to the grace of honest inquiry and the risk of following the historical Jesus in confronting the evils of empire, this rigorously argued book is a MUST READ.”

---Ray McGovern, CIA veteran analyst now with Tell the Word, a project of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour, Washington, D.C.

“Compelling reading. Here is a remarkably thorough presentation of facts regarding 9/11 events. Professor Griffin sets the events of 9/11 in a historical, religious, and philosophical context that is most enlightening. Although this context is also somewhat chilling, he holds out hope in his discussion of where we can go from here. I most highly recommend this book!”---Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University

“Do American Christians want the United States to act like the New Rome, invading other countries to impose its imperial rule and its control of other peoples’ resources? That, however, is just what the US is doing, increasingly so since 9/11, explains David Griffin. In this gripping summary of evidence for the truth behind 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission report, Griffin makes a compelling case that the imperial practices of the American government have become a destructive force in the world. And he clarifies the biblical and theological basis for Christians to challenge the resurgent American imperialism that often claims divine blessing on its destructive actions.”

-—Richard A. Horsley, Distinguished Professor of Liberal Arts and the Study of Religion, University of Massachusetts, and author of Jesus and Empire: The Kingdom of God and the New World Disorder

There are many more. such as Kevin Barrett and his new book
9/11 & American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out (Paperback)

My belief that George W. Bush is quite possibly the Biblical Antichrist is way more than speculation.
I am not someone that just fell off of the Banana Boat. I have been a Bible student for almost 40 years. I have put three children through college. No one that knows me has ever considered me to be a "Wacko". The time may come that you will grow to appreciate the fact that we have some in our midst that are men of faith.
I would like to point out that I don't just out of no where bring the subject up, but it is ALWAYS in response to someone that asks a question as to what I believe is behind these things.
You might be interested in this Web site> http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

Staysee, you have no need to forgive me, as I have not trespassed against you.
I too am happy to have you guys on board having begun to go down this path of 911 truth.
PeterZ

>>>Gary,
I take responsibility for inviting Peter to make a comment about Bush as the Anti-Christ at the end of the Q and A session following my talk in August at ERUUF. It was after an impassioned comment along those lines by an Iranian citizen in the audience, so it seemed appropriate to have Peter make his comment as a followup.

I haven't read David Griffin's book yet, but I wouldn't put the Anti-Christ conversation in the same category as the disinformation no-planers. However if the perception is that it is causing tension in the group, it is helpful to have Peter's continued commitment to only mention it in response to questions and not initiate the conversation as if it were a primary component of the group's platform.

Although I would not strictly define myself as a Christian, I was brought up in that tradition, and I am concerned that Peter may actually be correct in his assessment of the situation. We'll know more soon. I hope he is wrong and the impeachment process starts right after the election.
TWRL! (The White Rose Lives)
Larry

I thought this post would be a good preliminary to the post I should have up in the next week about the Bible and 911.
It gives you an idea what we are up against.

Mt:9:37: Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
PeterZ